Whatever happened to putting in the effort and make the encode smaller at similar quality? I am sure that an encode with similar quality and 500 MB - 1GB is possible.
Before the usual suspects come and say "Doesn't matter with today's drive sizes" - if you have like 10 anime, true. Come back when you have over 1000....
Given how badly animated this show was to begin with, I really wonder how it ends up having 2.2 GB for one episode on average. It seems hilariously bloated for some reason.
Also your question is still on point kamineko, because if people were ok with giant filesizes then they should go for remuxes. Encoding has always been about reducing the filesize while fixing problems in the source.
Truthfully one BD episode should be like 6/7 GB on average so it's still 1/3 of what it should be, but to me, it still seems insanely huge. I wonder what that bitrate is being used for. Does this have insane grain all over the place like Mushoku Tensei? I don't think so.
>I am sure that an encode with similar quality and 500 MB - 1GB is possible.
This show needs to have this much bitrate else you'll just nuke everything, so no you can't have similar quality at half or quarter the size
No, but instead it has a lot of 3D models, an incredible amount of darker scenes (which will require more bitrate than brighter scenes by necessity), surprisingly sharp lines, textures, and a *lot* of motion (by those very same 3D models!), @Interruptor. These filesizes also doesn't really go against what you said in regards to compression and artefact fixing. This is still significantly smaller than the source *and* has filtering on top.
A lot of people here have grown used to smaller filesizes that trade quality for filesizes (and frankly, a lot of these are also very starved and not well filtered at all to deal with the lower bitrates), so I'm not too surprised there's complaints about an even remotely "big" encode. But c'mon guys, if you need smaller filesizes so desperate, stick with the smaller releases instead of bitching about it here. Y'all look mad silly.
Arguing about the reasons for high bitrate is not being mad silly, and I am sorry you consider it this way. I am more than fine with accepting your arguments since I am not an encoder to begin with.
It is when that's what people constantly bring up without trying to understand *why* something is big (or how much is lost by forcibly compressing it more and think everything will look the same at 500-1000MB. Spoiler alert, it does not). The comment before yours is testament to that, and you don't need to look far to find similar complaints on bigger releases.
> Given how badly animated this show was to begin with, I really wonder how it ends up having 2.2 GB for one episode on average.
filesize has nothing to do with animation quality tho
Tfw, some people complain about storage in 2022.
Solution 1: Delete anime you've watched or seeded over 1.00.
Solution 2: Buy bigger HDD (cheaper than SSD).
Solution 3: If you can't afford to buy bigger HDD, stop complaining, or get smaller encodes by sacrificing quality. Or go get a job so you can buy a bigger HDD.
Solution 4: Don't watch anime and go get a life.
100% agree with everything Light and Exp said above. Just work part time for a week instead of bitching about storage. And different shows require different encode settings.
But almost nobody is using AVC these days, so if you can be efficient with HEVC and the encoding tools currently available, why not be? More than file sizes, that would be beneficial for hardware decoding on weaker devices(like TVs).
Edit:
>filesize has nothing to do with animation quality tho
It kinda does though? Lots of high motion scenes, digital effects, 3D models, CGI will require larger sizes.
Reinforce is a pretty good guide for what the "natural" size of an encode should be, since their encodes are just unfiltered crf 16 qcomp 0.7 8-bit mbtree=1. Those settings aren't even mega bloated, or rather they're not really aiming for transparency. With the Reinforce encodes being ~1.8GB/ep, and neko-raws turning off mbtree and switching to aq3, these encodes are by no means an odd size.
But it's kind of sad that if you want to go look for smaller encodes, they're pretty much all going to be from encoders who do zero filtering except perhaps denoising and don't even compare their encodes before releasing to make sure their denoising isn't destroying everything. So "go look for a smaller encode" is really a false option. Almost every encoder who actually cares about filtering can't bear to have even 1% of their work distorted by the encoder. So we get greater-than-reinforce filesizes every time from those folks. Which is fine, but it shouldn't be asserted that decent smaller options even exist.
It's this state of affairs that made me give up and reencode Kawaiika's Monogatari stuff. Reencodes of Kawaiika are going to be, by far, the best-looking option for Monogatari for their filesize, no matter what crf or encoder you use. I hope that encoders make 3GB/episode the standard in the future so that reencoding becomes an even more viable option. In fact, please release in lossless quality if possible. Thank you!
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